tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post8808208980438702060..comments2023-05-07T09:56:23.909-04:00Comments on The Christian Curmudgeon: Shootout in an OP CorralAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07146011447109951026noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-32942853910774248242015-02-19T09:29:21.809-05:002015-02-19T09:29:21.809-05:00http://theaquilareport.com/ministering-to-all-of-u...http://theaquilareport.com/ministering-to-all-of-us-a-response-to-valerie-hobbs-women-on-trial/DailyReforminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339021959927768567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-52487723685436778892015-02-19T09:08:53.165-05:002015-02-19T09:08:53.165-05:00Amen!Amen!DailyReforminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339021959927768567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-14773548044976690232015-02-13T23:18:04.495-05:002015-02-13T23:18:04.495-05:00She found these the following questions (which she...<i>She found these the following questions (which she coded) objectionable:</i><br /><br />Note, she never said she found the questions objectionable. She said that after numerous questions had been asked, she "began to feel this was an interrogation and even a form of intimidation." She then "tested the waters by asking about his children," which he ignored. There's a difference between friendly southern chit-chat and interrogation by a man who has pulled a woman into a private place.Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12728490691563640579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-17540920738457872882015-02-13T21:12:02.501-05:002015-02-13T21:12:02.501-05:00Sorry, but until the matter goes through the prope...Sorry, but until the matter goes through the proper channels, i.e., appeal, there will be no further info provided by me. That is because I honor the system in place for such matters and I want to preserve the dignity of both the men of the Presbytery AND the accused & his wife. Even when all is said and done, the info provided will be limited because there is much that was discussed in executive session - for a reason, namely to preserve the dignity of all involved.<br /><br />My only point in saying anything at all is that people need to stop jumping to conclusions based on one individual's very limited exposure to an ecclesiastical trial and assuming it must be true. At this point in time, the Presbytery does not owe anyone an answer in my opinion, but if they so desire to give a response that's their prerogative; let the appeal run its course, because that is actually the biblical way to do it. I'll leave it at that for now.The Reformed Pathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989494154613572833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-35899030528601692482015-02-13T20:08:32.842-05:002015-02-13T20:08:32.842-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14173290766608253033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-29160009915072103782015-02-13T19:42:58.649-05:002015-02-13T19:42:58.649-05:00Jim, the comments section here is open to you or a...Jim, the comments section here is open to you or anyone else who wishes to offer corrective or additional information.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07146011447109951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-19426312973660267942015-02-13T19:42:57.548-05:002015-02-13T19:42:57.548-05:00Jim, the comments section here is open to you or a...Jim, the comments section here is open to you or anyone else who wishes to offer corrective or additional information.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07146011447109951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-28002492085292706362015-02-13T19:22:24.796-05:002015-02-13T19:22:24.796-05:00Bill, your response just shows you do not know all...Bill, your response just shows you do not know all that is involved. That's not intended as a slight, it's just a fact. Generally speaking specifications are rarely isolated from each other and I strongly suspect that the two specifications are linked together in the eyes of the Presbytery. Since I was on the Session in question, I do know more than most, but certainly not more than the current presbyters.The Reformed Pathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989494154613572833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-70246978915518125292015-02-13T19:05:12.142-05:002015-02-13T19:05:12.142-05:00Jim, I have added the second speicification to the...Jim, I have added the second speicification to the text. I appreciate your calling my attention to this, as well, as to the fact that daughter is a minor. Adding the second specificaiton does not alter my view of the case or the Presbytery's action. I would also have told the Session that the matter was between my wife and me at which case, barring evidence I was holding my wife incommunicado against her will, I would expect the matter to be dropped.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07146011447109951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-90918119784672584122015-02-13T19:04:50.727-05:002015-02-13T19:04:50.727-05:00As P&R men we just need to be mindful of some ...As P&R men we just need to be mindful of some of the context that we are up against in the minds of some women - women who are actually very intelligent, fair minded, and my no means raging feminists. When we have the Baylys claiming to be Reformed and when we have Reformed men linking to the Patriarchy Movement, the Full Quiver movement, Doug Phillips & Vision Forum before the fall, etc. a case like this is going to start off with a strong burden of proof in the minds of some women. It's just reality -- you guys may not have made the mess that makes these women sensitive, but you do have to deal with the fallout of the mess, even though it's not your mess. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06193652015646223811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-83384195918791768022015-02-13T18:43:19.720-05:002015-02-13T18:43:19.720-05:00At a minimum if you are going to have your trials ...At a minimum if you are going to have your trials open to the public (which I agree is a good idea) you might consider putting out your own report for public consumption. If Glenda Mathes shows up to cover it for "Christian Renewal" you can count on coverage that will be fair and charitable. If others show up, you may not receive the same reporting. Trying to explain it all now piecemeal from different people on different blogs, Facebook, Twitter, or whatever is probably not the best approach to dealing with the situation. The Presbytery should try to make one unified statement of what happened (or at least the majority should). The situation with Covenant Reformed in Pella, although far more serious, shows the damage that can happen, legal and otherwise, when individual officers take it upon themselves to deal with women making interpretations and accusations in sensitive situations like these. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06193652015646223811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-33794968883345515582015-02-13T18:33:41.223-05:002015-02-13T18:33:41.223-05:00Erik...as far as I know none of the men who voted ...Erik...as far as I know none of the men who voted for the charges to be upheld are affiliated with the patriarchal movement. I'm one of them who voted for some of the charges though not all. Though that doesn't get reported...and how could it with Dr Hobbs having so little experience of the trial actual. William...you are right...that is one of the two charges that ultimately made it to the trial...three others were dropped. We took two years to come to this result after much pastoral work, prayer, argument and deliberation. Blessings Matt Holst.The Welshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03717441148489203372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-37128669037059303552015-02-13T18:25:20.685-05:002015-02-13T18:25:20.685-05:00Dr. Pipa is correct. The charge is not about his w...Dr. Pipa is correct. The charge is not about his wife not attending church; that's ONE of the two specifications. It's the other specification seen together with the first one that allegedly support the charge of not managing his household. I was on the said Session, so you can freely say that I was the "one man" you referenced, but realize that I was a member of that Presbytery previously; that's why I was/am familiar with it all. I had accepted a call and moved just prior to the charges being drafted and presented by/to Presbytery. The Session did not charge him - the Presbytery did.The Reformed Pathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989494154613572833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-57690562294341728542015-02-13T17:51:52.492-05:002015-02-13T17:51:52.492-05:00Erik I don't know.Erik I don't know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07146011447109951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-1059135844489953442015-02-13T17:47:27.466-05:002015-02-13T17:47:27.466-05:00Joey, isn't that what the charge of which he w...Joey, isn't that what the charge of which he was convicted says? And I do accurately report the vote.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07146011447109951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-55092923419360733572015-02-13T17:44:09.685-05:002015-02-13T17:44:09.685-05:00Are the names of the 24 Presbyters made public any...Are the names of the 24 Presbyters made public anywhere? I would like to cross reference the 24 names with a google search of those in the OPC who may be affiliated with the biblical patriarchy movement. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06193652015646223811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-89603042782439340842015-02-13T17:37:35.326-05:002015-02-13T17:37:35.326-05:00Bill. There is much more to the case than the wife...Bill. There is much more to the case than the wife's not attending.church. The lady's report is slanderous. This trial has gone on for almost two years. Moreover, you should not cement on her accusations of what men did or said without hearing from others. Prov. 18:17. By the way the vote to convict was 16 to 8. JoeyJoseph Pipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04578141601003076818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-30643647758776728692015-02-13T17:36:03.609-05:002015-02-13T17:36:03.609-05:00The Baylys may indeed have reclassified you as a g...The Baylys may indeed have reclassified you as a girlymale...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06193652015646223811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8934298301663499561.post-39932845542805778822015-02-13T17:33:40.116-05:002015-02-13T17:33:40.116-05:00"Since then the gunfire has been hot and heav..."Since then the gunfire has been hot and heavy. You might want to keep your head down - a thing I have a hard time doing. I keep sticking my head up to see what's going on and to fire some shots in both directions."<br /><br />LOL - I can relate...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06193652015646223811noreply@blogger.com